[capaxess]

Believe what you want with whatever data you'd like you make up, but hundreds of millions have gotten it and it's safe. It also works. I feel like you have to try really hard not to understand this. Anyone who actually believes conspiracy theories about the vaccines (chemical made by serial felons??) are in the minority.

Name any other drug(vaccine or otherwise) which has killed over 13 thousand people and injured over half a million according to the CDC (VAERS) in just 8 months that is still on the market. I can always recognize those who are fully indoctrinated when they use the term "conspiracy theory" which means: "I repeat what I hear on TV without question and reject any information to the contrary regardless of how much actual evidence there is to support it." If, as you say thinking for myself like, for example, the known fact that every. single. manufacturer. of these injections has multiple felony violations - (look it up) - then it is an honor to be in the minority. This country was founded on a dissenting minority so I'm in good company, thank you! Mindless minions, talking to themselves, re-enforcing what they hear on TV like the fake, Fauci science and propaganda is the problem, not the solution. Two weeks to "flatten the curve", remember that? That was 80 weeks ago. Now it's "show me your papers" at least in NYC. Did you label anyone predicting Vaxx-ports in NYC a "conspiracy theorist" last year maybe?
So spare me the lamenting "oh you conspiracy theorists" Puh-lese! People far more qualified than you or I are screaming these things at the top of their lungs so being pompous and acting like the information you think you know is unquestionable. I could almost feel sorry for your blindness if it weren't for your astonishing arrogance.

[Kevin Henry-Seacoast]

Name any other drug(vaccine or otherwise) which has killed over 13 thousand people and injured over half a million according to the CDC (VAERS) in just 8 months that is still on the market. I can always recognize those who are fully indoctrinated when they use the term "conspiracy theory" which means: "I repeat what I hear on TV without question and reject any information to the contrary regardless of how much actual evidence there is to support it." If, as you say thinking for myself like, for example, the known fact that every. single. manufacturer. of these injections has multiple felony violations - (look it up) - then it is an honor to be in the minority. This country was founded on a dissenting minority so I'm in good company, thank you! Mindless minions, talking to themselves, re-enforcing what they hear on TV like the fake, Fauci science and propaganda is the problem, not the solution. Two weeks to "flatten the curve", remember that? That was 80 weeks ago. Now it's "show me your papers" at least in NYC. Did you label anyone predicting Vaxx-ports in NYC a "conspiracy theorist" last year maybe?
So spare me the lamenting "oh you conspiracy theorists" Puh-lese! People far more qualified than you or I are screaming these things at the top of their lungs so being pompous and acting like the information you think you know is unquestionable. I could almost feel sorry for your blindness if it weren't for your astonishing arrogance.

My wife runs an OR at a hospital. 130% capacity. 3x the number of patients with severe COVID than the last peak. 75% of admitted patients in the hospital have COVID. 80% of them are unvaxxed and dying quicker. Sadly all of the staff is vaxxed and getting COVID due to so much exposure. Not one person has been admitted or died from the vaccine or wearing a mask.

[capaxess]

My wife runs an OR at a hospital. 130% capacity. 3x the number of patients with severe COVID than the last peak. 75% of admitted patients in the hospital have COVID. 80% of them are unvaxxed and dying quicker. Sadly all of the staff is vaxxed and getting COVID due to so much exposure. Not one person has been admitted or died from the vaccine or wearing a mask.

Check your sources of data Kevin, I respect you and have no desire to expand this discussion. The CDC has made clear that anyone one who has received the covid injection within 14 days is considered un-injected. That is, the data is being manipulated. I also have relatives and friends in the healthcare community and on the front lines of pandemic control. Let's leave it at that. I respect everyone's right to choose which information they want to act on, or not. Choice is critical and everyone is responsible for their own, individual medical decisions. I started this thread to offer an alternative to those on this board who do not require being injected as a condition for employment. Think what you wish about covid or the injection, I hope we can all agree that, coercion to take ANY drug as a condition of employment is wrong. Period.

[Kevin Henry-Seacoast]

Check your sources of data Kevin, I respect you and have no desire to expand this discussion. The CDC has made clear that anyone one who has received the covid injection within 14 days is considered un-injected. That is, the data is being manipulated. I also have relatives and friends in the healthcare community and on the front lines of pandemic control. Let's leave it at that. I respect everyone's right to choose which information they want to act on, or not. Choice is critical and everyone is responsible for their own, individual medical decisions. I started this thread to offer an alternative to those on this board who do not require being injected as a condition for employment. Think what you wish about covid or the injection, I hope we can all agree that, coercion to take ANY drug as a condition of employment is wrong. Period.

Um....I have been married to my "source of data" for over 20 years. She is clinical, but senior management, a member of AORN, and graduated from one of the top schools in the US with honors. WE have many friends and family in the nursing field. I have been living this every day for the last 18 months......not hearing it from friends or reading about it in rags. I have also been volunteering my time to help the healthcare professionals in my community that are completely overwhelmed and at times burned out. When was the last time you moved supplies to another hospital to help out your friends and sources.....

Enough of this conversation because quite frankly....it pisses me off.

[capaxess]

Um....I have been married to my "source of data" for over 20 years. She is clinical, but senior management, a member of AORN, and graduated from one of the top schools in the US with honors. WE have many friends and family in the nursing field. I have been living this every day for the last 18 months......not hearing it from friends or reading about it in rags. I have also been volunteering my time to help the healthcare professionals in my community that are completely overwhelmed and at times burned out. When was the last time you moved supplies to another hospital to help out your friends and sources.....

Enough of this conversation because quite frankly....it pisses me off.

Agreed, I feel the same way.

For now let's at least agree that everyone should be able to make their own choice and not be bullied into it or threatened with unemployment. Everyone has a story to tell and personal experiences notwithstanding, there is far more available data and information about this pandemic now and many more sources of scientific, pier reviewed information. More than enough for anyone who wants to gain understanding.

[mca2150]

Name any other drug(vaccine or otherwise) which has killed over 13 thousand people and injured over half a million according to the CDC (VAERS) in just 8 months that is still on the market. I can always recognize those who are fully indoctrinated when they use the term "conspiracy theory" which means: "I repeat what I hear on TV without question and reject any information to the contrary regardless of how much actual evidence there is to support it." If, as you say thinking for myself like, for example, the known fact that every. single. manufacturer. of these injections has multiple felony violations - (look it up) - then it is an honor to be in the minority. This country was founded on a dissenting minority so I'm in good company, thank you! Mindless minions, talking to themselves, re-enforcing what they hear on TV like the fake, Fauci science and propaganda is the problem, not the solution. Two weeks to "flatten the curve", remember that? That was 80 weeks ago. Now it's "show me your papers" at least in NYC. Did you label anyone predicting Vaxx-ports in NYC a "conspiracy theorist" last year maybe?
So spare me the lamenting "oh you conspiracy theorists" Puh-lese! People far more qualified than you or I are screaming these things at the top of their lungs so being pompous and acting like the information you think you know is unquestionable. I could almost feel sorry for your blindness if it weren't for your astonishing arrogance.

I'm just going to let you fester alone in your thoughts. We clearly have different sources of data.

[capaxess]

I'm just going to let you fester alone in your thoughts. We clearly have different sources of data.

"Fester"? lol - oh, I have company.

[FIRST US]

Name any other drug(vaccine or otherwise) which has killed over 13 thousand people and injured over half a million according to the CDC (VAERS) in just 8 months that is still on the market. I can always recognize those who are fully indoctrinated when they use the term "conspiracy theory" which means: "I repeat what I hear on TV without question and reject any information to the contrary regardless of how much actual evidence there is to support it." If, as you say thinking for myself like, for example, the known fact that every. single. manufacturer. of these injections has multiple felony violations - (look it up) - then it is an honor to be in the minority. This country was founded on a dissenting minority so I'm in good company, thank you! Mindless minions, talking to themselves, re-enforcing what they hear on TV like the fake, Fauci science and propaganda is the problem, not the solution. Two weeks to "flatten the curve", remember that? That was 80 weeks ago. Now it's "show me your papers" at least in NYC. Did you label anyone predicting Vaxx-ports in NYC a "conspiracy theorist" last year maybe?
So spare me the lamenting "oh you conspiracy theorists" Puh-lese! People far more qualified than you or I are screaming these things at the top of their lungs so being pompous and acting like the information you think you know is unquestionable. I could almost feel sorry for your blindness if it weren't for your astonishing arrogance.

Dude you have gone full blown Qanon, Alex Jones and My Pillow guy. You could not be more misinformed. All the experts are telling you 1+1= 2 but your out saying nah it equals fish. By the way where were you on Jan 6

[capaxess]

Dude you have gone full blown Qanon, Alex Jones and My Pillow guy. You could not be more misinformed. All the experts are telling you 1+1= 2 but your out saying nah it equals fish. By the way where were you on Jan 6

Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon, they knock over all the pieces, **** on the board and then they strut around like they won.

Let's take this off the board, there's no competition here - PM me if you want to rumble.

[FIRST US]

Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon, they knock over all the pieces, **** on the board and then they strut around like they won.

Let's take this off the board, there's no competition here - PM me if you want to rumble.

nah I actually like your posts most of the time. You just need to put down the ivermectin when it comes to science.

[capaxess]

nah I actually like your posts most of the time. You just need to put down the ivermectin when it comes to science.

You mean this Ivermectin? The one that won a Nobel Prize? That one? The one which has reduced covid cases in India 98%? This is way too easy, you guys are no fun at all:
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/me...press-release/

[FIRST US]

You mean this Ivermectin? The one that won a Nobel Prize? That one? The one which has reduced covid cases in India 98%? This is way too easy, you guys are no fun at all:
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/me...press-release/

This is false. Gateway pundit(fake news) published an article stating its true but with no actual data to back it up. Fact check it. Most experts believe the reduction in cases in India were due to lock downs and masks although no-one can really say what it is for sure and there is no actual data to back up the fact that it is due to ivermectin.

[capaxess]

lol VAERS, literally ANYONE can REPORT an adverse effect after vaccination, so that means you can report a death because someone got in a car accident leaving the pharmacy and HHS CDC, etc wont investigate that for months or years to come!!
""
VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences. Anyone can submit a report to VAERS, including parents and patients.
""

after that statement the rest of your writing is nonsense

Ok now, see? This is where misinformation can be a problem. You are deeply misinformed about the VAERS reporting system yet you publicly make assertive statements with no reservation at all.

The opposite of what you claim is true. That is, reporting an adverse effect on VAERS is quite difficult. In fact, a Harvard study showed that only 1% of adverse vaccine effects show up on VAERS as a result of how difficult they make it for doctors to make an entry. Despite the fact that only 1% of all adverse events including death are actually entered, covid jabs alone have already surpassed in 8 months more deaths (over 13 thousand) than all previous reported vaccine-related deaths in 20 years combined. Here is the publicly available information from the CDC: https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data

Ignoring data and mocking effective treatments is following the science?

Again, it was never my intention to have this discussion at all much less here on DF.

I simply wanted to help anyone looking for work where they don't require a medical procedure.

[FIRST US]

Ok now, see? This is where misinformation can be a problem. You are deeply misinformed about the VAERS reporting system yet you publicly make assertive statements with no reservation at all.

The opposite of what you claim is true. That is, reporting an adverse effect on VAERS is quite difficult. In fact, a Harvard study showed that only 1% of adverse vaccine effects show up on VAERS as a result of how difficult they make it for doctors to make an entry. Despite the fact that only 1% of all adverse events including death are actually entered, covid jabs alone have already surpassed in 8 months more deaths (over 13 thousand) than all previous reported vaccine-related deaths in 20 years combined. Here is the publicly available information from the CDC: https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data

Ignoring data and mocking effective treatments is following the science?

Again, it was never my intention to have this discussion at all much less here on DF.




I simply wanted to help anyone looking for work where they don't require a medical procedure.

False again. Anyone can report on VAERS. Go ahead right now and do it yourself. Does not mean they are actually true. The website literally says that anyone can report on VAERS. Seems to me more you are getting quotes from articles or pundits that fit your narrative but none of that can be backed up. Using the word jab is an easy sign to tell bias.

[capaxess]

False again. Anyone can report on VAERS. Go ahead right now and do it yourself. Does not mean they are actually true. The website literally says that anyone can report on VAERS. Seems to me more you are getting quotes from articles or pundits that fit your narrative but none of that can be backed up. Using the word jab is an easy sign to tell bias.

PM me, we'll compare notes. I'm not here to argue or prove anyone else wrong or that my positions are correct.

Everyone is trying to figure things out and make the right choices for themselves and their families, I'm nobody special.

I do know when I'm being lied to and manipulated though, I've had a lot of practice! lol!

[Yankeeman07]

For everyone worried about who does or does not have shots -

Over the past few months we have over 1,000,000 entering the USA across the southern border from all over the world.

No Shots, No Vetting - - Jut enter the USA and the Donkeykratz will bus and fly them all over the USA - not a care in the world.

[capaxess]

buddy, I copied and pasted the sentences between the quotes from the real HHS VAERS site, not the "openvaers" antivaxxers site that's created by a team of mostly unknown individuals who have an agenda: Heres the article about the owner https://www.logically.ai/articles/ca...site-openvaers

They get 40% of their traffic from gateway pundit and other fake news, conspiracy sites. you are under their spell, and its hilarious that you don't even know that, and think we are the ones who are in denial.

So try again on VAERS, you'll be wrong all your life.

I respect your right to be dead wrong.

I also realize that I could be wrong too which is why I read, research and educate myself as much as possible.

The link you posted is quite long and delves into deep details regarding Open Vaers, thank you for offering this information. It's dead wrong but thank you anyway.

As far as I'm concerned this discussion has come off the tracks and needs to end. For the last time I'll say it so I'm clear:

Regardless of what you believe or don't believe about the virus or injection, state mandated medical procedures as a condition for employment are un-American, illegal, immoral and incompatible with a free society. Personal medical choice cannot and should not be mandated by the state. Period.

IN closing I reiterate my offer to post any employment positions offered by the good people on this board where injections for covid are not mandated.

[capaxess]

people cant argue with conspiracy theorists like you.
I just proved you wrong on every point you made yet your reply is that you do your own research however the article I provided is TOO LONG???? LOL.
All you had to do was read the 2nd paragraph, here's part of it:
"OpenVAERS is a U.S.-focused site that was created in January this year. The project used to live on thearkivist.net, which was created in September 2019, until its owner created a separate website dedicated to the misrepresentation of COVID-19 vaccine data. OpenVAERS repackages raw federal data from the official VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) website to push an anti-vax agenda. The site misrepresents data collected on VAERS and publishes it in a way that has very likely made a significant contribution to vaccine hesitancy."

So, no one has died from the injection then?

If you want to rumble for real, PM me and we'll take this off the board.

I read what you sent, I already know why it's dead wrong.

Happy to send you what I've read with sources, references and historical context, we can help each other understand things better!

This is not a discussion compatible for DF - I started the thread to offer alternative employment positions in the MCA industry to those who have chosen for whatever reason not to be injected. That is all.

[J.Celifarco]

So, no one has died from the injection then?

If you want to rumble for real, PM me and we'll take this off the board.

I read what you sent, I already know why it's dead wrong.

Happy to send you what I've read with sources, references and historical context, we can help each other understand things better!

This is not a discussion compatible for DF - I started the thread to offer alternative employment positions in the MCA industry to those who have chosen for whatever reason not to be injected. That is all.

Every company has the right to set its employment standards including vaccination status. If it is required then as a worker you have the choice to do it and work there or don't and not work there. Employers get to set the standards not the employees.

[ryan $]

Name any other drug(vaccine or otherwise) which has killed over 13 thousand people and injured over half a million according to the CDC (VAERS) in just 8 months that is still on the market. I can always recognize those who are fully indoctrinated when they use the term "conspiracy theory" which means: "I repeat what I hear on TV without question and reject any information to the contrary regardless of how much actual evidence there is to support it." If, as you say thinking for myself like, for example, the known fact that every. single. manufacturer. of these injections has multiple felony violations - (look it up) - then it is an honor to be in the minority. This country was founded on a dissenting minority so I'm in good company, thank you! Mindless minions, talking to themselves, re-enforcing what they hear on TV like the fake, Fauci science and propaganda is the problem, not the solution. Two weeks to "flatten the curve", remember that? That was 80 weeks ago. Now it's "show me your papers" at least in NYC. Did you label anyone predicting Vaxx-ports in NYC a "conspiracy theorist" last year maybe?
So spare me the lamenting "oh you conspiracy theorists" Puh-lese! People far more qualified than you or I are screaming these things at the top of their lungs so being pompous and acting like the information you think you know is unquestionable. I could almost feel sorry for your blindness if it weren't for your astonishing arrogance.

The Rate of Death for the COVID Vaccine is 0.0019%
"Modern vaccines are among the greatest public health achievements in history, preventing thousands of illnesses and deaths each year in the United States alone. However, as illness, disability and death from vaccine-preventable diseases have decreased, concerns over vaccine safety have increased. Despite the reality that a person is far more likely to be seriously or fatally injured by a disease prevented by vaccines than by a vaccine itself, there appears to be a trend towards increased refusal or delay of recommended vaccinations due to perceived safety concerns"

Anyone who thinks otherwise is a NITWIT. The risks of Not Vaccinating is far worse than Vaccinating, FOR ANY VACCINE.

[J.Celifarco]

the rate of death for the covid vaccine is 0.0019%
"modern vaccines are among the greatest public health achievements in history, preventing thousands of illnesses and deaths each year in the united states alone. However, as illness, disability and death from vaccine-preventable diseases have decreased, concerns over vaccine safety have increased. Despite the reality that a person is far more likely to be seriously or fatally injured by a disease prevented by vaccines than by a vaccine itself, there appears to be a trend towards increased refusal or delay of recommended vaccinations due to perceived safety concerns"

anyone who thinks otherwise is a nitwit. The risks of not vaccinating is far worse than vaccinating, for any vaccine.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^what he said^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^