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    New york case is a win for the merchant cash advance industry


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    that is a win for splits, but a lot of other contracts are making it look more like a loan rather than an advance on receivables. I wonder how one of those deals would have done in the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ridextreme View Post
    that is a win for splits, but a lot of other contracts are making it look more like a loan rather than an advance on receivables. I wonder how one of those deals would have done in the case.
    ??? how so? This was not a split deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean bash View Post
    ??? how so? This was not a split deal.
    yes I see that now. Isaac is correct, it's a HUGE win for New York.

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    This is a big win, I am curious to see how this effects the proposed bills that were being talked about in Albany. Will this make legislators more or less likely to try and pass state level regulation.
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    The Trump said we will be tired of winning ...I'm in need of a nap!
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    well there is a very fine line, but good for them! glad to see a win for the home team... need to make sure your agreements are clearly written!

    The court cited extensive New York precedent for the position that, in order to constitute a loan, the principal sum given to one party must be absolutely repayable and not contingent upon future events. The court then quoted provisions from the agreement stating that (i) IBIS would receive a percentage of Four Paws’ daily sales, (ii) the transaction was not a loan, and (iii) the agreement would be governed by the Uniform Commercial Code (which does not govern loans). According to the court, these provisions indicated that the transaction was not a loan and not subject to usury.

    The court also addressed Four Paws’ contention that the agreement established a “set and finite fixed daily payment” that could be used to calculate a usurious interest rate. In this regard, the court noted that it could not find such a provision, but, even if one did exist, the defendants' usury defense would still fail because “the Agreement provided no liability in the event that the seller’s business failed because it could not generate sufficient revenue to continue operating [and thus make payments].” The court also noted that Four Paws was not required to make any payments unrelated to revenue to cover deficiencies, and the agreement lacked a specific end date upon which all amounts owed by Four Paws would become due.

    Court Rules MCA Arrangement Is a Loan Under New York's Usury Laws
    The risk of loss is to be distinguished from the risk of nonpayment that is inherent in every loan and that may only be compensated for by statutory interest; the risk of loss by the death or insolvency of the borrower is the risk that every person runs who lends money on personal security only (72 N.Y. Jur 2d Interest and Usury, §87).

    Although the defendant’s witness testified that by purchasing future receivables RDN Construction accepted business risks besides the normal risks of repayment common to a loan, the court discounted this testimony on the basis that “[m]erely telling the Court that risk is contemplated under the terms of the Agreement is inadequate, especially where, as here, the Agreement is illegible, with excessively small print.” In particular, the court noted the agreement did not specify that sales of receivables to the defendant were without recourse to the seller/plaintiff. In the absence of such language, the court determined that the plaintiff was absolutely obligated to repay and so the arrangement amounted to a loan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADiamond View Post
    well there is a very fine line, but good for them! glad to see a win for the home team... need to make sure your agreements are clearly written!
    New funding houses need to have a legal defense war chest in the event this happens on your 3rd deal... You can be caught in 6 digits of legal before your first deal reaches renewal stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADiamond View Post
    well there is a very fine line, but good for them! glad to see a win for the home team... need to make sure your agreements are clearly written!




    Court Rules MCA Arrangement Is a Loan Under New York's Usury Laws
    SO I take this to mean we are tied? One win and one loss?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chambo View Post
    SO I take this to mean we are tied? One win and one loss?
    OOPS! I missed this one... look's like we're 2-1, but then again the odds of winning come down to whether or not the agreement is worded correctly!

    Merchant Cash Advance Definitely NOT a Loan, New York Judge Rules


    And I really do wonder what impact these court rulings are going to have indefinitely on state legislation for New York-based lenders, although I've heard that may temporarily be a win for us as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chambo View Post
    SO I take this to mean we are tied? One win and one loss?
    No, MCA companies regularly win decisions every month. They just don't all make the news, especially since many are repetitive, are not reported, or the the judge did not take the time to write a long thought-out explanation.

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    There are hundreds of MCA litigations pending at any given moment. It's only news if an MCA company loses or in a reported decision the judge took the time to fully articulate interesting applications of the law.

    The score is definitely not 1-1 or 2-1 lol.

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    Sean-Do you have a link for the Pearl case against Creditor's Relief?

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    Quote Originally Posted by staten View Post
    Sean-Do you have a link for the Pearl case against Creditor's Relief?
    yes, i will pm to you

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    When these cases happen is it a right away scam that they just do not want to pay or is it in counter to business going down and they can not pay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickyR3712 View Post
    When these cases happen is it a right away scam that they just do not want to pay or is it in counter to business going down and they can not pay?
    They typically are focused around a breach of the contract, in whatever form.

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    If it happens in the first week, I just assume scam. Probably coached-up, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean bash View Post
    yes, i will pm to you
    Can you send to me as well please?

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