[DfrankFunder]

Hey guys just coming across a lot of files that have multiple advances . Does anyone know who could clean them up or help me find a home for them.


Thank you

[HDF]

If they don't particularly like the home they are living in, call WBL.

[FundingCzar]

If they are A paper with only 2 advances I would start with a true term lender like Funding circle. If not I would try Breakout, Powerup, WBL. Dan from Funding Strategy Partners has a good consolidation program as well.

[Zach]

If they don't particularly like the multiple cash advances they are suffering from, call us at WBL.

[DfrankFunder]

Thanks HDF - although i believe some merchants have potential to have a complete ReFi rather then going to WBL .... I am just looking for a lender who has participated in these type of files to see if we can get them done.

[DfrankFunder]

I have herd good things about Evolution Capital Group and Breakout Capital also Dan Page ... Thanks Guys !!

[TStein]

If they don't particularly like the home they are living in, call WBL.

*golf clap*

[Kevin Henry-Seacoast]

Thanks HDF - although i believe some merchants have potential to have a complete ReFi rather then going to WBL .... I am just looking for a lender who has participated in these type of files to see if we can get them done.

We have been successful getting some of theses done where the Company was factoring and took out multiple advances. In most cases the factor was only financing the AR. We were able to finance the AR at better advance rates and include other assets such as inventory and machinery. The added liquidity along with our cheaper rates enabled the Companies to exit the cash advances and save a ton of money.

[John Galt]

Caveat Emptor with Powerup, I had a 100k account with them that they later funded a second and third time for 120K and refused to pay me as ISO. Also I thought Breakout was taken over(?) Actually had to turn Powerup over to a collection atty.

[Sachip24]

IF they have strong Financials Dan Page is the man you want to speak with. His program when it comes to a consolidation blows away anything else on the market. his handle on here is dpfund.

[DfrankFunder]

Also is CAN Capital done funding deals - Word is they have stopped ?

[Chambo]

Also is CAN Capital done funding deals - Word is they have stopped ?

Not 100%, but slowed things down to a small trickle

[J.Celifarco]

Not 100%, but slowed things down to a small trickle

I have heard a lot of rumors about this but I dont work with them so I didnt know for sure.. Does anyone know why?

[HDF]

Sounds a little like some window dressing time of the portfolio ahead of a coming securitization event?

[DfrankFunder]

No Clue a lot of talk that they are backing out - Same thing few months back with Windset

[WestCoastFunding]

If they don't particularly like the home they are living in, call WBL.

So I literally laughed out loud.

[Cfairbank]

To clear things up (from previous poster): we (Breakout) have not been taken over -- candidly, we are currently taking a more cautious approach towards several position consolidations (with multiple high risk companies), and focus a lot more of our efforts on our A-paper products (including, our monthly pay product). We are funding more than ever (maybe fall-out from CAN?), and we have no concerns about funding constraints.

We are competitive with CAN on pricing with terms out to 24 months, and still are aggressively pursuing the A-paper buy-outs that want to access cheaper capital or our revolving credit feature of our products. So anyone having trouble with current or prospective CAN customers, we'd be happy to help! We also will underwrite consolidations. However, in the current funding environment, if there are multiple high risk players in the capital stack, we will take a cautious approach in our underwriting. But regardless, we still offer a zero net requirement.

Didn't mean to hijack the thread; just wanted to clear that up. And we do appreciate all the posters that proposed Breakout as an option.

[WestCoastFunding]

To clear things up (from previous poster): we (Breakout) have not been taken over -- candidly, we are currently taking a more cautious approach towards several position consolidations (with multiple high risk companies), and focus a lot more of our efforts on our A-paper products.

So what you're saying is you'll focus on clients who are most likely not going to stack again, correct? I can't blame you. It's amazing how many merchants come to you with 5 advances, thinking they would be appealing to consolidation companies. "This is a great opportunity for the lender" is something I hear way too often from merchants seeking consolidations. Then I look at their statements and they've been missing a bunch of payments each month. Real appealing.

[anonymous]

So what you're saying is you'll focus on clients who are most likely not going to stack again, correct? I can't blame you. It's amazing how many merchants come to you with 5 advances, thinking they would be appealing to consolidation companies. "This is a great opportunity for the lender" is something I hear way too often from merchants seeking consolidations. Then I look at their statements and they've been missing a bunch of payments each month. Real appealing.

What's even more amazing are the merchants who you successfully consolidate 3-5 positions for (literally saving their business in many cases), who come back in the same position a few months later.

[John Galt]

Thanks for the clarification.

[Funder Mark]

What's even more amazing are the merchants who you successfully consolidate 3-5 positions for (literally saving their business in many cases), who come back in the same position a few months later.

I had that a few times, and I really wonder about the consolidators. What protections do they really have, when they get stacked? Throw in a massive no stacking clause, with a $50k fee?

[anonymous]

Ask Dan Page, he seems to be sticking around, while doing some risky consolidation deals over a very long term. Expected to see that product drop off a long time ago, apparently he's figured something out that we've all been missing in that sense.

[Cfairbank]

So what you're saying is you'll focus on clients who are most likely not going to stack again, correct? I can't blame you. It's amazing how many merchants come to you with 5 advances, thinking they would be appealing to consolidation companies. "This is a great opportunity for the lender" is something I hear way too often from merchants seeking consolidations. Then I look at their statements and they've been missing a bunch of payments each month. Real appealing.

Ha, that's one way to put it! From a broader standpoint, I view the core problem is that merchants need to buy into a "program", not just a one-time consolidation transaction -- unless you are going to Funding Circle to get an immediate "fix", getting out of the stacked rabbit hole is a multi-stage process. There is so much risk in multiple position consolidations that, to do it properly, you (the lender) need to initially price it higher and with a shorter term to help mitigate the immediate stacking risk, but have a clear plan laid out that allows the merchant to lower rate and extend term as they prove they aren't a stacking risk. We have these programs, so if a merchant is really trying to fix their capital structure, we can do it; but we need to mitigate our up front risk. But, like you reference, many consolidation candidates don't buy into a "program" and just use a consolidation to free up daily cash flow to stack again (frequently, funders will be paid in full and then be back on the books a few days later with a brand new advance). And those quickly turn into losses or workouts because, the way most products in our space are structured, the merchant is already paying interest on interest / fees on fees since you have to buy out the full balance of the companies on there.

[dpFund]

IF they have strong Financials Dan Page is the man you want to speak with. His program when it comes to a consolidation blows away anything else on the market. his handle on here is dpfund.

Thank you for the kind words!

Yes, we do a lot of consolidations. Not because we set out to do them...but moreso that is where the market seems to be and what is brought to me.

Feel free to reach out DFrankFunder if you would like to discuss.

I'm on the phone doing client interviews a lot (I personally interview every client we fund as part of our three step pre-qual process) so if you cannot reach me by phone, sometimes the best way to get through is to grab a day/time from my scheduler (http://meetme.so/DanPage).

Best,

Dan Page
Direct: (303) 938-8280
dan@fundingstrategypartners.com

[dpFund]

Ask Dan Page, he seems to be sticking around, while doing some risky consolidation deals over a very long term. Expected to see that product drop off a long time ago, apparently he's figured something out that we've all been missing in that sense.

Thank you for noticing! :-)

I will publicly admit that consolidations are very difficult, for many of the reasons that Carl mentions above. We ask for a lot of stips (which annoys some brokers but it is the only way we can truly find out what is happening with the client) and we do a lot of pre-qual work on the front end. We look hard at the client's true net income, after digging into the P&L (not bank deposits) and look hard at the balance sheet. Clearly not everyone qualifies but a lot do ($4MM of consolidations in the funding queue right now).

Best,

Dan Page
Direct: (303) 938-8280
dan@fundingstrategypartners.com