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    Negative Ending Daily Balances

    I have a company that designs and manufactures thin film coating systems

    At the end of November they did a $60k loan with Cresthill/Mantis for 4 months,
    however it took them 5 months to pay it back, there were several missed payments, but didn’t default.

    No current advances

    They DO NOT take credit cards

    Month Deposits Avg daily balance negative
    June $503,636 $28,886 3
    May $157,001 $7,314 2
    April $154,468 $3,452 14

    There are no BK, tax liens, judgments, owner has clean credit.

    Been in business since 1991, 15 employees, average $3MM gross sales annually

    Any lenders interested in looking at this file?
    Last edited by sigmundpannu; 07-06-2016 at 01:16 PM.

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    WBL is the only option I'm aware of that would fund this
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    Quote Originally Posted by sigmundpannu View Post
    I have a company that designs and manufactures thin film coating systems

    At the end of November they did a $60k loan with Cresthill/Mantis for 4 months,
    however it took them 5 months to pay it back, there were several missed payments, but didn’t default.

    No current advances

    They DO NOT take credit cards

    Month Deposits Avg daily balance negative
    June $503,636 $28,886 3
    May $157,001 $7,314 2
    April $154,468 $3,452 14

    There are no BK, tax liens, judgments, owner has clean credit.

    Been in business since 1991, 15 employees, average $3MM gross sales annually

    Any lenders interested in looking at this file?
    Sigmund,

    I would be happy to take a look.

    Best,

    Kevin
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    As you already seem to have guessed an adjustable CC based deal probably would have worked, but as they have no CC processing the best you can do for them is to give them some ideas on how to prevent the constant negatives, and possibly try again in a couple of months. If April is a stand out and the rest of the months have very low or no NSF's you can probably negotiate something.

    April kills this though negative for half a month? how could they support a daily draw with that?
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    This is a tough file but with a clean July you should be able to get done.. Possibly even mid month with a strong MTD transaction history
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    I just funded one with CAN that had 7 neg. daily balances in May, otherwise talk to WBL or LoanMe

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    Quote Originally Posted by sigmundpannu View Post
    I have a company that designs and manufactures thin film coating systems

    At the end of November they did a $60k loan with Cresthill/Mantis for 4 months,
    however it took them 5 months to pay it back, there were several missed payments, but didn’t default.

    No current advances

    They DO NOT take credit cards

    Month Deposits Avg daily balance negative
    June $503,636 $28,886 3
    May $157,001 $7,314 2
    April $154,468 $3,452 14

    There are no BK, tax liens, judgments, owner has clean credit.

    Been in business since 1991, 15 employees, average $3MM gross sales annually

    Any lenders interested in looking at this file?
    also another factor will be reason for the bad month if there was a legitimate excuse for the issues there will be more banks willing to look
    John Celifarco
    Managing Partner
    Horizon Funding Group

    3423 Ave S
    Brooklyn, NY 11234
    T: (347) 773-3990 | F: (718) 795-1990
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    Email: john@horizonfundinggroup.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Celifarco View Post
    also another factor will be reason for the bad month if there was a legitimate excuse for the issues there will be more banks willing to look
    That's kind of what I was suggesting in my post. It would have to be something viable and verifiable for most the underwriters I know to even consider it though.
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    Frankly, We would most likely fund it again. Send the deal back to us. If you were not the original agent and 30 days has passed it would be your deal with us. Ship it.


    Quote Originally Posted by sigmundpannu View Post
    I have a company that designs and manufactures thin film coating systems

    At the end of November they did a $60k loan with Cresthill/Mantis for 4 months,
    however it took them 5 months to pay it back, there were several missed payments, but didn’t default.

    No current advances

    They DO NOT take credit cards

    Month Deposits Avg daily balance negative
    June $503,636 $28,886 3
    May $157,001 $7,314 2
    April $154,468 $3,452 14

    There are no BK, tax liens, judgments, owner has clean credit.

    Been in business since 1991, 15 employees, average $3MM gross sales annually

    Any lenders interested in looking at this file?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmarano View Post
    Frankly, We would most likely fund it again. Send the deal back to us. If you were not the original agent and 30 days has passed it would be your deal with us. Ship it.
    So an ISO owns a deal for 30 days after it is paid off? After that it is fair game for anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Celifarco View Post
    So an ISO owns a deal for 30 days after it is paid off? After that it is fair game for anyone?
    that is standard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chambo View Post
    that is standard
    I know just like to confirm different banks have different policies.. The other option would be if they know what deal it is and with the info given they probably do would be to reach out to the iSO with a heads up to call their merchant. This is an existing ISO of theirs I am sure they would appreciate that info and the bank looks good in the merchants eyes.. win win for everyone

    On a side note Sigmund be careful how much info you put in the post because now they can try to get the merchant back
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mmarano View Post
    Frankly, We would most likely fund it again. Send the deal back to us. If you were not the original agent and 30 days has passed it would be your deal with us. Ship it.
    that is your best bet if you are . otherwise try loan me

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    Sigmund, depending on how much they are looking for and which state they are in. LoanMe can take a look at this file.
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    Would love to take a look

    nathan@empirefunding.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmpireRoth View Post
    Would love to take a look

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    He isn't in one the LoanMe approved states, otherwise I would have sent him to you.It is PA.
    Last edited by sigmundpannu; 07-06-2016 at 03:20 PM.

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    Sent you a PM. We can fund this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chambo View Post
    hah roth, didn't catch it at first

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    Negative Ending Daily Balances

    Mmarano-Sent you a pm

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    Yes sir. This is not as aggressive as some other companies but we take an active role in making certain our partners are able to renew their deals and maintain the book.

    Quote Originally Posted by J.Celifarco View Post
    So an ISO owns a deal for 30 days after it is paid off? After that it is fair game for anyone?

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    I can put him into are hedge fund program or invoice factoring program what ever works for him give me call any time 843-796-4039 direct number Brad

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