[FUNd]

Your phone number isn't working.

Another reliable lead gen company.

[riipdigital]

Hey Guys,

I had the number off by 1 digit.. I just changed it.

Sorry about that.

We are reliable,.. .so feel free to google Riip Digital and see. We also own a craft beer company here in Orange County for all you craft beer enthusiasts.

[riipdigital]

Go ahead and google it.. lol

[Rob Buchanan]

We are also one of the largest email marketers in the world

I've never heard of you...

[riipdigital]

Rob,

Thats probably good a thing.

We own Throughput MTA a mailing platform,.... our system sends collectively through our 300+ publisher/agency accounts across hundreds of verticals. Let me know if you want a demo or more information.

Like, I said.. google Riip Digital.

Sorry about not replying to your quote.....

[Franklin]

I've never heard of you...

I can name 5 guys with million+ lead businesses in this space who you've never heard of. You don't have to advertise every where to be a player in this industry (or any industry), you don't have to have a major web presence or a ton of references that can tell you what you want to hear. You just have to be sick at what you do and be dealing with 2 or 3 whales. That is what the top guys are doing
and you won't find them because they're looking for specific types of clients and when they find them, they don't leave.

The reason why most iso's/funders can't find good lead generators is because they do not fit the criteria that a top lead generator
would want to work with (most iso's are under capitalized, unorganized, have no duplicatable system, have no strategy to scale, have no follow up system, some are dishonest, uneducated as far as real marketing/conversion numbers, etc).

With those factors in perspective, an Iso is now stuck having to battle every other iso for the bottom tier lead crumbs in this space, and then they don't understand how buying leads is a good idea, when their inadequate systems combined with inadequate leads, create the worst possible scenario for themselves. In that situation, of course buying leads is a bad idea.

[FUNd]

I can name 5 guys with million+ lead businesses in this space who you've never heard of. You don't have to advertise every where to be a player in this industry (or any industry), you don't have to have a major web presence or a ton of references that can tell you what you want to hear. You just have to be sick at what you do and be dealing with 2 or 3 whales. That is what the top guys are doing
and you won't find them because they're looking for specific types of clients and when they find them, they don't leave.

The reason why most iso's/funders can't find good lead generators is because they do not fit the criteria that a top lead generator
would want to work with (most iso's are under capitalized, unorganized, have no duplicatable system, have no strategy to scale, have no follow up system, some are dishonest, uneducated as far as real marketing/conversion numbers, etc).

With those factors in perspective, an Iso is now stuck having to battle every other iso for the bottom tier lead crumbs in this space, and then they don't understand how buying leads is a good idea, when their inadequate systems combined with inadequate leads, create the worst possible scenario for themselves. In that situation, of course buying leads is a bad idea.

+1 However, forgive the pessimism on this board. It is absolutely pelted with lead gen scams day in and day out from Florida to Nigeria.

[riipdigital]

I can name 5 guys with million+ lead businesses in this space who you've never heard of. You don't have to advertise every where to be a player in this industry (or any industry), you don't have to have a major web presence or a ton of references that can tell you what you want to hear. You just have to be sick at what you do and be dealing with 2 or 3 whales. That is what the top guys are doing
and you won't find them because they're looking for specific types of clients and when they find them, they don't leave.

The reason why most iso's/funders can't find good lead generators is because they do not fit the criteria that a top lead generator
would want to work with (most iso's are under capitalized, unorganized, have no duplicatable system, have no strategy to scale, have no follow up system, some are dishonest, uneducated as far as real marketing/conversion numbers, etc).

With those factors in perspective, an Iso is now stuck having to battle every other iso for the bottom tier lead crumbs in this space, and then they don't understand how buying leads is a good idea, when their inadequate systems combined with inadequate leads, create the worst possible scenario for themselves. In that situation, of course buying leads is a bad idea.

Buying leads off of another company is technically a TCPA violation and could get you sued for big bucks. Read up on it or chat with your attorney about it. If you want to generate leads you need to generate them as your own brand under your name. This is what we do... If we do sell you leads from one of our active sites we then place you compliantly in our terms as one of our premier partners this way you are 100% legal.

[Franklin]

Buying leads off of another company is technically a TCPA violation and could get you sued for big bucks. Read up on it or chat with your attorney about it. If you want to generate leads you need to generate them as your own brand under your name. This is what we do... If we do sell you leads from one of our active sites we then place you compliantly in our terms as one of our premier partners this way you are 100% legal.

Well that's only partially correct, riip. You're referring to acquiring consumer leads, not b2b leads, due to the fact that you cannot telemarket to consumers or cell phones without express written consent by the consumer. If you buy a consumer lead, technically they did not give you specifically consent to call them, but there are methods to remain in compliance with that as well, such as if the lead gen introduces your company, informs the consumer they will be contacted by you, and the consumer agrees to this.

The companies that are being hit with lawsuits either have 8 - 10 figures in revenue and/or are household names/fortune 500 companies.

There is no do not call list for businesses.

[riipdigital]

Well that's only partially correct, riip. You're referring to acquiring consumer leads, not b2b leads, due to the fact that you cannot telemarket to consumers or cell phones without express written consent by the consumer. If you buy a consumer lead, technically they did not give you specifically consent to call them, but there are methods to remain in compliance with that as well, such as if the lead gen introduces your company, informs the consumer they will be contacted by you, and the consumer agrees to this.

The companies that are being hit with lawsuits either have 8 - 10 figures in revenue and/or are household names/fortune 500 companies.

There is no do not call list for businesses.

If you are generating leads online from a web form you can have the page and brand of the page be something generic like Lendability.com or BusinessFunding.com as long as in the Terms your company brand is referenced as one of the partners that will be calling them. Take a look at BizCashPros.com. This page has that specific language. A consumer is a consumer regardless if they own a business and are inquiring about their business or not. So as long as you have your TCPA disclosure in the form process you then can legally call them.

As far as household names go,... I have had multiple clients that are not household name/fortune 500 operations that have been hit with TCPA lawsuits... so I do not believe this is true.. it makes sense that they want to go after the big pocket operations but this does not put you in the clear from any possible litigation. These guys seed forms by entering their info and then they see who calls them and then they make claims based on the violations.

Thanks for your input.