[TheUnderwriter]

happyman's definition is a definition and pretty accurate. I will add that, institutions are hierarchies, and they seek to destroy the bigger concept of all hierarchies, or at least flip the triangle of hierarchy upside down.

Just to point out, that flipping creates its own hierarchy, where everyone seems to equal, but in reality some people are "more equal" than others.

TheUnderwriter's definition is extreme examples that show that the underlying thinking of woke is putrid. However, he also added rhetoric and ad hominem attached which don't add anything to debate or opening anyone up, they just make them defensive.
I prefer definitions

Happyman's definition is very accurate. His is high level and mine is the ground floor to dumb it down for people since I cannot tell if First US is part of that stupid group of people and the reason he asked for it to be defined thinking Kpeng cannot define it or if he was generous curious given he never heard of it. I also believe the example add a lot to the debate since given the definition, its not good enough for some people to say what something is, you need to give multiple examples to help show what 'woke' thinking is and help show how stupid these people are. But if someone wants to argue my examples, go for it. Id love for someone to truly explain and enlighten me how a Man can give birth or that Men and Women do not have XY or XX Chromosomes.

[Olderguy]

Happyman's definition is very accurate. His is high level and mine is the ground floor to dumb it down for people since I cannot tell if First US is part of that stupid group of people and the reason he asked for it to be defined thinking Kpeng cannot define it or if he was generous curious given he never heard of it. I also believe the example add a lot to the debate since given the definition, its not good enough for some people to say what something is, you need to give multiple examples to help show what 'woke' thinking is and help show how stupid these people are. But if someone wants to argue my examples, go for it. Id love for someone to truly explain and enlighten me how a Man can give birth or that Men and Women do not have XY or XX Chromosomes.

You are arguing physiology and not psychology...that's the difference....why does it scare you so much? Why is it your business what anyone else thinks of their body or religion..it's life and yes, education can and should explain that people do think that way....thats the purpose of education, not banning books out of fear. Burning and banning books, controlling what people do with their bodies, forcing your religious and political beliefs on others....that's fascism...just love and let it all be...

[abfunders]

You are arguing physiology and not psychology...that's the difference....why does it scare you so much? Why is it your business what anyone else thinks of their body or religion..it's life and yes, education can and should explain that people do think that way....thats the purpose of education, not banning books our of fear. Burning and banning books, controlling what people do with their bodies, forcing your religious and political beliefs on others....that's fascism...just love and let it all be...

It scares me because it tells me that there's no concrete reality. Real people suffer real consequences when there's no reality. Children are exposed to concepts that they shouldn't be aware of. Societies crumble because there are no children born and they're exposed to concepts like they're being told about. They get confused, and third parties tell us that our children are being abused because their innocence is being guarded. Psychological damage is enforced upon them.

Tolerance? Sure. But it needs to end there. When someone pushes the concept that "what's abnormal is really normal", then I have no say and there's no point in fulfilling my life. Because if I did someone "good" it's completely irrelevant, and all of life is nihilistic. That's not education. It also creates dumb people who can't/won't think or can/want to meet goals. For example, if there's no "objectivity," then all doctors are the same, therefore there's nobody to learn from, therefore nobody to race to go to if someone I care about is sick, and nobody else is motivated to become better to be "the best." It's a race to be mediocre, and HUMANS AREN'T MADE FOR THAT. Humans THRIVE on challenge and becoming better and giving and love and relationships that are give/take. If giving doesn't matter, then appreciation for what someone can do for someone is meaningless, and that leads to the breakdown of society.

The psychological basis for all of this gender stuff is based on a idiomatic mistake and changing history that "gender" and "sex" are separate, when in fact they are not. They're synonyms that became separated when the term "sex" started meaning the physical act. What people really mean by "gender" is "temperament" and that is fluid and has tendencies despite the actual physical characteristics that are not fluid.

The basis for breaking down all hierarchies is ... what? Because some people weren't treated fair? Well, that's the point of free speech. To keep the hierarchies in check. Comes the Woke and even destroys that, and you can't have meaningful conversations anymore because they're cancelling you and not letting your point of view have value.

Controlling what people do with their bodies..... Like running a red light? That's also control. Not all control is bad. TOO MUCH control is bad. Again, that's what free speech is supposed to prevent, a dialogue to prevent it from going too far. Yes, that's subjective, but life is a balancing act. Governments go right, they go left, they go back again, swinging back and forth.

It's not fascist to tell people they can't run a red light, it's also not fascist to say that abortion is murder. That could be up for debate, but again, that's the point of free speech.

Forcing religion on people? Yeah, that's the pot calling the kettle black. Public schools are forcing children to watch sexualized drag queens?! They're not not-for-profit, it's a racket (you MUST pay or we put you in jail) run by a certain set of actors with certain values who are terrorizing anyone who "dares" challenge the system and call someone by the wrong pronouns, or (when I was a kid) "dares" to sit out of the Xmas celebrations.

Again, it needs to stop at tolerance. But to force your views on me, what we are calling cancel culture, and calling abnormal "normal" and changing society to cause psychological harm to children because "you" are "uncomfortable" being "normal"... it has got to stop.

[abfunders]

Happyman's definition is very accurate. His is high level and mine is the ground floor to dumb it down for people since I cannot tell if First US is part of that stupid group of people and the reason he asked for it to be defined thinking Kpeng cannot define it or if he was generous curious given he never heard of it. I also believe the example add a lot to the debate since given the definition, its not good enough for some people to say what something is, you need to give multiple examples to help show what 'woke' thinking is and help show how stupid these people are. But if someone wants to argue my examples, go for it. Id love for someone to truly explain and enlighten me how a Man can give birth or that Men and Women do not have XY or XX Chromosomes.

Examples are helpful, yes, but it doesn't help to say "highly stupid with no regards to common sense or logical thinking" in any debate about anything. They should come to that conclusion themselves.

[NoBiggie]

Examples are helpful, yes, but it doesn't help to say "highly stupid with no regards to common sense or logical thinking" in any debate about anything. They should come to that conclusion themselves.

but they're stupid...they can't come to any conclusions