[J.Celifarco]

I am not disagreeing with you in certain scenarios, I see your point, but at the end of the day no-one is forcing these people to take it, and as long as everything is fully disclosed shouldnt the business owner have the right to make their own decisions?

I think were arguing two different things. You're arguing the math on hypothetical/imaginary scenarios based on your experiences, I am arguing against your absolute/blanket statements and against your desire to take options away from other grown adults who should have the right to make their own decisions. (as long as everything is fully disclosed)

Will never agree with knowingly selling someone something that I know will hurt their business. Especially when I know it is these programs that have put a target on the industry as a whole and will lead to regulations that could ultimately destroy the industry. Its not worth it for me or for the business owner