[SFC]

Is there any public resource showing the size of the MCA space and the growth over time?

[Michael I]

Is there any public resource showing the size of the MCA space and the growth over time?

this will probably be the closest to what you are looking for
https://debanked.com/2019/08/the-201...rs-by-revenue/

[pcfunder]

add yellowstone and par funding to those numbers as well and your adding a decent amount of more money into this industry

[NoBigDeal]

there are a number of funders not listed there that would boost the numbers tremendously

[SFC]

this will probably be the closest to what you are looking for
https://debanked.com/2019/08/the-201...rs-by-revenue/

Thanks, super helpful. Is there anything discussing originations though?

[mcaguru]

Mantis also not included in that list...we fund a sizable portion of the MCA super-subprime in america.

[Michael I]

Thanks, super helpful. Is there anything discussing originations though?

You saying how much new vs renewal? also all this needs to be taken with a grain of salt as some big guys like to be under radar and small guys that like to look big, Plus there is probably 100 funders not on list that fund a million plus a month

[mcaguru]

The only ones who can really guesstimate the market-size would be the big banks and maybe a First Data mega size credit card processor.

[NoBigDeal]

You saying how much new vs renewal? also all this needs to be taken with a grain of salt as some big guys like to be under radar and small guys that like to look big, Plus there is probably 100 funders not on list that fund a million plus a month

You think if you take away a few million in funding from the small guys that fluff numbers, and add a few million from the "under radar" guys it would even out to what's reported on DeBanked?

[JTS-MCA]

this will probably be the closest to what you are looking for
https://debanked.com/2019/08/the-201...rs-by-revenue/

Damn! look at that revenue jump of Reliant Funding from 2015 to 2016! How they do that?! That is almost 5x!

[Nunya]

Mantis also not included in that list...we fund a sizable portion of the MCA super-subprime in america.

[pcfunder]

mantis how much do you guys fund a month? I'm sure its a lot so don't be afraid to say it. If anything give us a range like 5 million to 15 million

[WestCoastFunding]

mantis how much do you guys fund a month? I'm sure its a lot so don't be afraid to say it. If anything give us a range like 5 million to 15 million

He will never give a number. The only time I’ve seen him cite numbers was when he talked about total commissions paid, but I’m sure a good chunk of that came from Cresthill brokering.

[WestCoastFunding]

this will probably be the closest to what you are looking for
https://debanked.com/2019/08/the-201...rs-by-revenue/

This has Fundera in there. They fund their own stuff now?

[PDM Cap]

It looks like brokers and funders on that list. no?

[WestCoastFunding]

You think if you take away a few million in funding from the small guys that fluff numbers, and add a few million from the "under radar" guys it would even out to what's reported on DeBanked?

I think net-net the size of the industry is greatly underrepresented. Those are just a couple A-B guys. Add in the remaining A guys and a **** ton of B-D and the industry numbers would be noticeably larger.

[SFC]

I think net-net the size of the industry is greatly underrepresented. Those are just a couple A-B guys. Add in the remaining A guys and a **** ton of B-D and the industry numbers would be noticeably larger.

Agreed. But how much of it is originations and how much is stacking. Like 1bb a month in origination and 3 billion in stacking?

[Michael I]

Agreed. But how much of it is originations and how much is stacking. Like 1bb a month in origination and 3 billion in stacking?

thats a hard one because kabbage , square, paypall and amex all stack . and most of the "A" lenders will stack them

[BasisPoint]

What do you mean by stacking? Adding to an existing loan balance? So you're saying for every $1 billion in new origination there is $3 billion in additional loans/advances given to existing borrowers?