[Fly]

So is Kabbage going to be dispersing these PPP funds? Are they becoming an SBA Lender? Seems like their automated underwriting process would make much more sense for something like this.

[fundingsmbs]

"The latest news is that there is an issue with the agreement between banks and the government regarding the buy-back provision that the government was supposed to perform. Under the initial loan program, the PPP loan was 100% guaranteed by the government, and a 100% guarantee to buy the loan back from the bank after the 4 month forgiveness period ended. However, last night’s rule changed that dynamic, eluding that the banks may not be able to sell the loans back to the government at a 100% commitment as soon as the forgiveness period arrives. The banking industry is working with the gov’t right now to resolve the issue and hope to have direction shortly.
Additionally, it appears that there may be a 3rd revision to the application. "

[Winning]

The latest new that directly and immediately affect the merchants in Dallas Texas (which I am in) is that the county judge has just extended shelter in place until May 20th!
So now it's not a if I will be closed for 3 months, it is a yes I will be closed for at least 3 months, and now the maybe shifts to 6 months!! WTF!

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/he...2-06dd2ac783b6

[Winning]

The latest new that directly and immediately affect the merchants in Dallas Texas (which I am in) is that the county judge has just extended shelter in place until May 20th!
So now it's not a if I will be closed for 3 months, it is a yes I will be closed for at least 3 months, and now the maybe shifts to 6 months!! WTF!

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/he...2-06dd2ac783b6

So who evaluates if a business should take the money? All money ain't good money...

Some merchants may not think through the fact that just cause they are open for business, doesn't mean there customer are immediately coming back.

So will you guys be telling your applicants to think through these things, and applying for, and getting money may not be the best thing to do.

[Fly]

Okay which one of you is this, gave me a good laugh:

https://www.covidbusinessfunding.com/

[skideeppow]

On a side note, US Bank and Wells released their application portals this AM.

[Christian]

As many of you likely know, SmartBiz notified their ISOs that all applications in their 7a portal would be processed as PPPs. A few days after that they sent guidance that their funding banks are servicing their existing clients first and they really don't know when (if?) they will get around to funding smartbiz clients. My problem is that I have sent 45 clients to them since Thursday. Does anyone have a source we could cobroker thru to cherry pick the best of my 45 clients? These deals are fresh and I feel like if I wait for Smartbiz, they will go elsewhere.

[cmarks]

As many of you likely know, SmartBiz notified their ISOs that all applications in their 7a portal would be processed as PPPs. A few days after that they sent guidance that their funding banks are servicing their existing clients first and they really don't know when (if?) they will get around to funding smartbiz clients. My problem is that I have sent 45 clients to them since Thursday. Does anyone have a source we could cobroker thru to cherry pick the best of my 45 clients? These deals are fresh and I feel like if I wait for Smartbiz, they will go elsewhere.

Fundera, they are accepting apps but not sure of processing time or banks. will pay half comish as normal partners

[fundingsmbs]

lots of apps, not a alot of fundings going on. there are still many things being worked out behind the scenes. it's almost as though this program was a rough draft, and, now it's being ironed out. also, each bank will hit capacity at some point. the way i understand it is, the SBA lenders (depository banks) have to carry these loans on their balance sheets at 1% with customers who aren't even open and operating. it sounds like that is being worked out as well. the non depository companies (fintechs) are going to have a diff application. however, i think the main question here is how to get paid for PPPs and the answer is, many will not be paying to process apps.

i also believe the companies with massive databases will direct market PPP's now and the broker will be left without any opportunities for it.

[Christian]

lots of apps, not a alot of fundings going on. there are still many things being worked out behind the scenes. it's almost as though this program was a rough draft, and, now it's being ironed out. also, each bank will hit capacity at some point. the way i understand it is, the SBA lenders (depository banks) have to carry these loans on their balance sheets at 1% with customers who aren't even open and operating. it sounds like that is being worked out as well. the non depository companies (fintechs) are going to have a diff application. however, i think the main question here is how to get paid for PPPs and the answer is, many will not be paying to process apps.

i also believe the companies with massive databases will direct market PPP's now and the broker will be left without any opportunities for it.

Ready, fire, aim

[WestCoastFunding]

As many of you likely know, SmartBiz notified their ISOs that all applications in their 7a portal would be processed as PPPs. A few days after that they sent guidance that their funding banks are servicing their existing clients first and they really don't know when (if?) they will get around to funding smartbiz clients. My problem is that I have sent 45 clients to them since Thursday. Does anyone have a source we could cobroker thru to cherry pick the best of my 45 clients? These deals are fresh and I feel like if I wait for Smartbiz, they will go elsewhere.

Real talk, if you aren’t being handled by your bank, there’s a 99.9999% chance they aren’t moving through the system as of today. I’ll say this again: lenders don’t want these. Think of the manpower and resources used. Think of how banks are getting 10,000 apps in a day, with a team of a few dozen people (at best) trying to process these, put all the work in, only to find out they’ve submitted to 12 other banks and you’ve spent all those resources for nothing. And if you do get it funded, the returns ****ing suck. And, oh by the way, the Treasury changes the rules at the last moment about covering the banks 100%. Its like, they couldn’t just add an extra $20B to make sure the banks could charge a reasonable fee, and let the govt cover the fees? I mean, we are about to have a $3 Trillion annual deficit, and another 0.00001% a

[inacio]

I believe commissions will be paid perhaps 1%. Right now you have brokers taking half of the 1% giving us .50%
In the coming day,weeks you'll see many Fintech loan companies, Ondeck and alike having this.
Right now we just have to hold tight and get what we can with the current system (brokers) until the direct lenders start carrying it. It will happen.
Money dried up for MCA term loans for the retail/restaurants and investors are making 0% Why wouldn't they opt-in to make a 1-2% off of the 5%

Yeah 1% of $100,000 loan is $1,000 vs MCA $8,000 - $15,000 it will take you many more loans to get to that amount, more loans to process which wont be a problem to signup.

Their will be lots of opportunity to make great income.

[Kevin Henry-Seacoast]

I believe commissions will be paid perhaps 1%. Right now you have brokers taking half of the 1% giving us .50%
In the coming day,weeks you'll see many Fintech loan companies, Ondeck and alike having this.
Right now we just have to hold tight and get what we can with the current system (brokers) until the direct lenders start carrying it. It will happen.
Money dried up for MCA term loans for the retail/restaurants and investors are making 0% Why wouldn't they opt-in to make a 1-2% off of the 5%

Yeah 1% of $100,000 loan is $1,000 vs MCA $8,000 - $15,000 it will take you many more loans to get to that amount, more loans to process which wont be a problem to signup.

Their will be lots of opportunity to make great income.

Banks are inundated processing current customers. Little to no banks are paying ANY referral fees.
I know brokers wishing to submit a non-customer for free and they are being turned down. If you think you are going to make a lot of money on these....you are living on Hope Island.

[WestCoastFunding]

Banks are inundated processing current customers. Little to no banks are paying ANY referral fees.
I know brokers wishing to submit a non-customer for free and they are being turned down. If you think you are going to make a lot of money on these....you are living on Hope Island.

I know guys ready to dump 1,000 PPP apps to any lender FOR FREE. Just take them. The get Nothing.

[inacio]

I am a resident of Hope Island as some of labeled me.
I live under the delusion of doing very well in the SBA PPP Program according to the members of this thread.

99% of post are negative and right down discouraging to agents and with good reason, IT'S CHAOS! news articles after news articles are down right ugly, the whole world of SBA is falling apart...... not so.

I'm not of the belief that the SBA will increase the 5% commission to the lenders for loans Less than<$350K which are the majority of my deals iv'e have been turning in.

My deal states i receive 0.50% 50 Basis Point commission off the loan, abviously this is not a direct lender but a broker of the direct lender.

Before on MCA of term loans i was submitting the following on my own 1 man door to door mostly
$250,000 - $400,000 in volume
$45,000 average loan
6 Deals monthly average Approvals
10% Average Commission it varied by lender 8%-12%
38% approval rate Approval rate
1 Loan rejection by merchant, Merchants would decline because of the payback amount to high.

TODAY SBA PPP
1.6 Million in Volume
$100,000 Average Loan (monthly payroll $40,000 X 2.5 = $100,000 Per Loan)
16 Deals
0.50% Commission
$8,000 commission
10 Days. It took me 10 days to get these deals.

NOW! I have not gotten one loan approved yet, So Ill have to wait and see if those amounts get approved and if there is any declines, even if i only get half of the volume that would be a $4,000 commission


Point is, you can listen to the voices that their is no opportunity and go with the flow or learn as much as you can about the program, documents required, find a Lender preferably not a broker and just go for it. You will be only as good as your lender is, you need good support even if its just with email at the time as is my situation, its frustrating at times. Its uncertainty because like i said, i have not received any deals approved yet.

Then you will see the legitimate big FINTEC Lenders come in competing for you.

I hope this brings you a little hope.



.

[Kevin Henry-Seacoast]

I am a resident of Hope Island

Hope Island is a very lonely place.......

[inacio]

Hope Island is a very lonely place.......

It is, your right

[skideeppow]

I am a resident of Hope Island as some of labeled me.
I live under the delusion of doing very well in the SBA PPP Program according to the members of this thread.

99% of post are negative and right down discouraging to agents and with good reason, IT'S CHAOS! news articles after news articles are down right ugly, the whole world of SBA is falling apart...... not so.

I'm not of the belief that the SBA will increase the 5% commission to the lenders for loans Less than<$350K which are the majority of my deals iv'e have been turning in.

My deal states i receive 0.50% 50 Basis Point commission off the loan, abviously this is not a direct lender but a broker of the direct lender.

Before on MCA of term loans i was submitting the following on my own 1 man door to door mostly
$250,000 - $400,000 in volume
$45,000 average loan
6 Deals monthly average Approvals
10% Average Commission it varied by lender 8%-12%
38% approval rate Approval rate
1 Loan rejection by merchant, Merchants would decline because of the payback amount to high.

TODAY SBA PPP
1.6 Million in Volume
$100,000 Average Loan (monthly payroll $40,000 X 2.5 = $100,000 Per Loan)
16 Deals
0.50% Commission
$8,000 commission
10 Days. It took me 10 days to get these deals.

NOW! I have not gotten one loan approved yet, So Ill have to wait and see if those amounts get approved and if there is any declines, even if i only get half of the volume that would be a $4,000 commission


Point is, you can listen to the voices that their is no opportunity and go with the flow or learn as much as you can about the program, documents required, find a Lender preferably not a broker and just go for it. You will be only as good as your lender is, you need good support even if its just with email at the time as is my situation, its frustrating at times. Its uncertainty because like i said, i have not received any deals approved yet.

Then you will see the legitimate big FINTEC Lenders come in competing for you.

I hope this brings you a little hope.



.

I dont understand how you got 10 deals in 10 days, yet the PPP program was just launched Friday, and even then no one knew what docs were needed etc.

[inacio]

I dont understand how you got 10 deals in 10 days, yet the PPP program was just launched Friday, and even then no one knew what docs were needed etc.

I've been in the credit card processing industry for 21 years and in MCA for 2 years with a few thousand merchants in our portfolio and have majority of our merchants personal and business information already.
Each of the 10 merchants i wrote up have authorize me to talk to their accountant, i suggest this as its a short cut and cuts alot of time.

The way i know what documents to be collected is from the broker i work with. The way they knows what docs is through their lender.

Like i mentioned I haven't received one approval from my 10 deals I don't know if they are going to require more docs! maybe they will and maybe they wont, hell who knows. Point is I'm trying not to waste to much time in a forum and start turning in deals.

i'm not saying I got this thing figured out, at the beginning I was struggling with the doc collection but its getting easier now

What i'm finding out is that those same accountants, bookkeepers are referring me merchants now little by little, 2 today.
They are sending a complete file with all the docs which helps tremendously.

If and when i get approvals and paid commission ill let you guys know, to many damm Debbie downers here.

Im sharing this because i didn,t know what the heck i was doing at the beginning, still uncertaint, no approvals yet,
trial and error.

[cmarks]

I believe commissions will be paid perhaps 1%. Right now you have brokers taking half of the 1% giving us .50%
In the coming day,weeks you'll see many Fintech loan companies, Ondeck and alike having this.
Right now we just have to hold tight and get what we can with the current system (brokers) until the direct lenders start carrying it. It will happen.
Money dried up for MCA term loans for the retail/restaurants and investors are making 0% Why wouldn't they opt-in to make a 1-2% off of the 5%

Yeah 1% of $100,000 loan is $1,000 vs MCA $8,000 - $15,000 it will take you many more loans to get to that amount, more loans to process which wont be a problem to signup.

Their will be lots of opportunity to make great income.

Yep the lenders wanting to get involved are doing so for a few reasons.
So in the IFRN Final doc for the program thats been out for a few days, this is the section(pg.11) with question and answer provides a good look at the govts view on rates and costs for banks:
"
What is the interest rate on a PPP loan?

The interest rate will be 100 basis points or one percent. The Administrator, in consultation with the Secretary, determined that a one percent interest rate is appropriate.

First, it provides low cost funds to borrowers to meet eligible payroll costs and other eligible expenses during this temporary period of economic dislocation caused by the coronavirus.

Second, for lenders, the 100 basis points offers an attractive interest rate relative to the cost of funding for comparable maturities. For example, the FDIC’s weekly national average rate 12 for a 24-month CD deposit product for the week of March 30, 2020 is 42 basis points for non-jumbo and 44 basis points for jumbo (https://www.fdic.gov/regulations/resources/rates/).

Third, the interest rate is higher than the yield on Treasury securities of comparable maturity. For example,
the yield on the Treasury two-year note is approximately 23 basis points. This higher yield combined with the fact that the loans are 100 percent guaranteed by the SBA and the fact that lenders will receive a substantial processing fee from the SBA provide ample inducement for lenders to participate in the PPP.
"

[Kevin Henry-Seacoast]

Yep the lenders wanting to get involved are doing so for a few reasons.
So in the IFRN Final doc for the program thats been out for a few days, this is the section(pg.11) with question and answer provides a good look at the govts view on rates and costs for banks:
"
What is the interest rate on a PPP loan?

The interest rate will be 100 basis points or one percent. The Administrator, in consultation with the Secretary, determined that a one percent interest rate is appropriate.

First, it provides low cost funds to borrowers to meet eligible payroll costs and other eligible expenses during this temporary period of economic dislocation caused by the coronavirus.

Second, for lenders, the 100 basis points offers an attractive interest rate relative to the cost of funding for comparable maturities. For example, the FDIC’s weekly national average rate 12 for a 24-month CD deposit product for the week of March 30, 2020 is 42 basis points for non-jumbo and 44 basis points for jumbo (https://www.fdic.gov/regulations/resources/rates/).

Third, the interest rate is higher than the yield on Treasury securities of comparable maturity. For example,
the yield on the Treasury two-year note is approximately 23 basis points. This higher yield combined with the fact that the loans are 100 percent guaranteed by the SBA and the fact that lenders will receive a substantial processing fee from the SBA provide ample inducement for lenders to participate in the PPP.
"

Sure.... Banks want to process hundreds of thousands of smaller loans that may or may not ever get paid back and are questionably guaranteed by the SBA .....all for 1%. That's much easier than laying out traditional LOCs or ABLs at Prime +1.

[abfunders]

Sure.... Banks want to process hundreds of thousands of smaller loans that may or may not ever get paid back and are questionably guaranteed by the SBA .....all for 1%. That's much easier than laying out traditional LOCs or ABLs at Prime +1.

I haven't weighed in at all, I'm focusing on a ton of other angles right now (real estate, PO financing, payment solutions for cannabis). However, I think Kevin just summed up what everyone's been saying for the past week plus.

On that note, a happy Passover for everyone out there. Stay safe. #stayathome

[WestCoastFunding]

Sure.... Banks want to process hundreds of thousands of smaller loans that may or may not ever get paid back and are questionably guaranteed by the SBA .....all for 1%. That's much easier than laying out traditional LOCs or ABLs at Prime +1.

Chris is literally the only person that thinks this is attractive to lenders, yet the fact the lenders refuse to touch these other than to their own clients (nearly all will only do It to protect their own exposure by financing clients that have credit facilities to the banks) tells the story.

Why in the world would the banks want to sink their money into a program like this? They won’t. The Federal Reserves know this program is dog**** to lenders, so they are now creating their own credit facilities to provide financing to the PPP borrowers directly, while using the banks to process the loans.

[cmarks]

Chris is literally the only person that thinks this is attractive to lenders, yet the fact the lenders refuse to touch these other than to their own clients (nearly all will only do It to protect their own exposure by financing clients that have credit facilities to the banks).

Why in the world would the banks want to sink their money into a program like this? They won’t. The Federal Reserves know this program is dog**** to lenders, so they are now creating their own credit facilities to provide financing to the PPP borrowers directly, while using the banks to process the loans.

LOL,, I simply copied and pasted what it says in the docs...thats it. Thats the govt telling you what they think, so theres someone else... None of this is without flaws.
There are reports of businesses who have received money form PPP, and others said that wouldnt happen until June, i said this week. So go figure...

Also there are banks and fintechs applying to join, reasons are multiple, but you know everything with your vast experience of SBA lending that does little to anyone for a brand new emergency loan product that the banks barely know how it works.

[KanjorskiPartners]

M&T bank got over 100,000 applications just today. They write approx. 180,000 loans per year. They are the 6th largest SBA lender in the country. That insane amount of backlog mixed with government bureaucracy. I agree that small businesses will not get the relief they need, definitely not in the time frame they need and there's no way stiff banks will ever pay out a dime. PPP is a lost cause for sure.