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    Quote Originally Posted by SmartAdvanced View Post
    Guys. Seriously: COJs are good for 1% of the money.
    The other 85% pays
    And 14% gets collected without a COJ
    not at the high risk funding shops. I think your numbers are way off. I also think it is a security blanket that many funders have gotten used to and when it goes away it will have a big effect
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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Celifarco View Post
    not at the high risk funding shops. I think your numbers are way off. I also think it is a security blanket that many funders have gotten used to and when it goes away it will have a big effect
    What type of high risk offers are going to disappear, if a COJ isn't an option?

    Seems like there is still a lot of high risk offers out there where the risk model isn't built around the COJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB_Cooper View Post
    What type of high risk offers are going to disappear, if a COJ isn't an option?

    Seems like there is still a lot of high risk offers out there where the risk model isn't built around the COJ.
    there are a couple of funders who do high risk deals without a COJ but not many. I personally dont think you will see anymore of the crazy 6th 7th 8th position deals. If collections is going to be based on UCC's like it used to be before COJ's came into play companies will not be able to do these type of deals, the risk will be too high
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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Celifarco View Post
    there are a couple of funders who do high risk deals without a COJ but not many. I personally dont think you will see anymore of the crazy 6th 7th 8th position deals. If collections is going to be based on UCC's like it used to be before COJ's came into play companies will not be able to do these type of deals, the risk will be too high
    and FORGET about those who are proud to fund DEFAULTS!!!!! that'll go away too

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoBigDeal View Post
    and FORGET about those who are proud to fund DEFAULTS!!!!! that'll go away too
    100% true on this
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    Quote Originally Posted by J.Celifarco View Post
    not at the high risk funding shops. I think your numbers are way off. I also think it is a security blanket that many funders have gotten used to and when it goes away it will have a big effect
    1% of money is collected through COJs

    85% through regular payments
    14% through other methods

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmartAdvanced View Post
    1% of money is collected through COJs

    85% through regular payments
    14% through other methods
    the question is on the 85% how many continued paying because they signed a coj?I recently saw a merchant that had 5 positions and only defaulted on the 2 that did not have a coj.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael I View Post
    the question is on the 85% how many continued paying because they signed a coj?I recently saw a merchant that had 5 positions and only defaulted on the 2 that did not have a coj.
    So youre saying that if merchants were defaulting on the ones without COJs, then all those funders not using COJ have it backwards? 1 file isnt a sample size. Funders need to stay below about 12% default rate, with or without.

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