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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Dolla View Post
    Trumps dumb ass tariffs are to blame FYI. All u Bozzos who didn’t go to school, it’s simple economics
    This is definitely not Trumps fault. An entire economy doesn't go through a recession from a few years of one mans small influence through just one branch of government. It takes a lot more than one man to impact this country. People need to stop acting like Trump is so powerful. America has survived good presidents and horrible presidents. People are giving this man more credit than he deserves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcfunder View Post
    People are giving this man more credit than he deserves.
    Technically you are correct, but not really. People invest based on how they think the market will move in the future. If enough people start to think the general business market will slow, they will slow down their activities, causing a slowdown. If people think Trump will somehow single-handedly wreck the economy, the damage will be done. Its more the thought of what Trump may do, rather than his own actions that would cause market disruptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newunderwriter007 View Post
    Technically you are correct, but not really. People invest based on how they think the market will move in the future. If enough people start to think the general business market will slow, they will slow down their activities, causing a slowdown. If people think Trump will somehow single-handedly wreck the economy, the damage will be done. Its more the thought of what Trump may do, rather than his own actions that would cause market disruptions.
    That's a fair honest good point newunderwriter and its true but I don't think trading of the stock market dictates recessions. I think that recessions just have a large impact on how the stocks trade. Like lets say America decided to spend trillions of dollars on a fictional war on terror that can never be won because you can't beat "terror" and instead bled us dry of resources and pride in ourselves which caused us to collapse 10 years ago only to have our government decide to put a band-aid on the collapse hoping a miracle will happen before the band-aid falls off. That's not really reflective of what traders or investors are thinking but instead the traders and investors will just be impacted from the results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcfunder View Post
    That's a fair honest good point newunderwriter and its true but I don't think trading of the stock market dictates recessions. I think that recessions just have a large impact on how the stocks trade. Like lets say America decided to spend trillions of dollars on a fictional war on terror that can never be won because you can't beat "terror" and instead bled us dry of resources and pride in ourselves which caused us to collapse 10 years ago only to have our government decide to put a band-aid on the collapse hoping a miracle will happen before the band-aid falls off. That's not really reflective of what traders or investors are thinking but instead the traders and investors will just be impacted from the results.
    Wasn't talking about the stock market, although my point is also true for that. If business owners thinks that business will slow down, they will not hire more staff, invest less and look to cut costs. If enough people do that, group psychology cause a recession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newunderwriter007 View Post
    Wasn't talking about the stock market, although my point is also true for that. If business owners thinks that business will slow down, they will not hire more staff, invest less and look to cut costs. If enough people do that, group psychology cause a recession.
    Then people are dumb because Trump's influence is only temporary and he controls so little regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcfunder View Post
    This is definitely not Trumps fault. An entire economy doesn't go through a recession from a few years of one mans small influence through just one branch of government. It takes a lot more than one man to impact this country. People need to stop acting like Trump is so powerful. America has survived good presidents and horrible presidents. People are giving this man more credit than he deserves.
    when you're the president and you start imposing tariffs on other countries, you single handedly can **** **** up. We're getting hit with taxes and tariffs in retaliation.. it's happening to manufacturing and exporting companies so you may not notice it but it's real , it's happening and people are getting laid off... look at steel, auto, soybeans, oil & gas.. nothings getting sold anymore because we are getting taxed out of competition

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Dolla View Post
    when you're the president and you start imposing tariffs on other countries, you single handedly can **** **** up. We're getting hit with taxes and tariffs in retaliation.. it's happening to manufacturing and exporting companies so you may not notice it but it's real , it's happening and people are getting laid off... look at steel, auto, soybeans, oil & gas.. nothings getting sold anymore because we are getting taxed out of competition
    Not sure where you are obtaining your information:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/04/manu...ince-1997.html

    https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...hits-trump-era

    https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=37172

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1O51X7

    https://www.americangeosciences.org/...ort-and-import


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