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    2nd Position behind Ondeck

    Manufacturer 150k monthly
    Ondeck around 150,000
    Has more orders. Looking for 2nd position 50-100k
    California

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    Factor or ABL that!
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    Seacoast Business Funding, a division of Seacoast Bank
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    Sounds like a very attainable offer to get if they have strong daily ending balances. Feel free to reach out if I can be of any help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokerCompany View Post
    Manufacturer 150k monthly
    Ondeck around 150,000
    Has more orders. Looking for 2nd position 50-100k
    California
    Pearl

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokerCompany View Post
    Manufacturer 150k monthly
    Ondeck around 150,000
    Has more orders. Looking for 2nd position 50-100k
    California
    If you're not insisting on 10 point on THIS deal and you're more interested in long-term growth and long-term relationships with the company, factoring/ABL and/or a bank loan-LOC hybrid are you best bet. You'll make much more in the long-run, and whoever your rep is that brought in the deal will be stuck working for you for a long time since there will be residual income as long as they're working for you.

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    We love 2nd position. With the limited amount of info you provided I can only say if everything is normal such as credit and ADB it should be attainable. Feel free to reach out.


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    I cant comment about other funders... we look at the deal based on the specific-cash flow. seems like will come out very strong ..you'll have offer in hour or so and contracts back-in will fund today!

    In fact from the dozens of deals will fund today many were ONLY first sent to us today! youll have commission before weekend !
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcaguru View Post
    I cant comment about other funders... we look at the deal based on the specific-cash flow. seems like will come out very strong ..you'll have offer in hour or so and contracts back-in will fund today!

    In fact from the dozens of deals will fund today many were ONLY first sent to us today! youll have commission before weekend !
    Will try you again. Hopefully no blackholes.

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    My manager has offered this guy factoring. Does not want it

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    He can qualify for an ABL with the right lender, which won't need notification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokerCompany View Post
    My manager has offered this guy factoring. Does not want it
    I scratch my head with this all the time..... Why would a business owner chose a more expensive and non revolving facility to finance working capital. Finding an ABL facility with a $250K minimum might be a challenge as most true ABL lenders start at $1Mil minimums. If it is found, the rates may be as high if not higher than a bank owned factor like us. They won't require notification, but will require dominion of cash-lock box. There are some out there that provide factoring where notification is soft and the company will manage collections so there is very little interaction with the customers. Happy to chat about it.... There is a better way ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by brokerCompany View Post
    Manufacturer 150k monthly
    Ondeck around 150,000
    Has more orders. Looking for 2nd position 50-100k
    California
    Pretty sure you can get an offer with any 2nd position company on this one.

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    These clients think that their clients will think, "Oh, you're factoring, you must be in a worse financial situation than we knew, so we'll renegotiate our terms." Also, they think that if they don't pay, the factor will do "hard" collections, and the client has a need to "protect" their clients.

    These clients are being paranoid.....
    There are still other ways to get it done, ABLs non-notification may be doable for as little as a $250,000 LOC. Direct factoring may be cheaper as far as cost to capital, but may be more more expensive depending on how leveraged the client wants to do, and may offer more liquidity than a conservative bank. Almost certainly a quicker underwriting.

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    Literally any direct lender who funds in California at a second pos. will hop OnDeck. Totally depends what they have with OnDeck though, so competing with their terms and rates at a second might be the tricky part, but I'd submit it to any A paper lenders who do 2nd's.

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    Micah as much a anything else clients fear factoring because it means they are assigning (selling) their invoices (and that they have heard horror stories about third parties trying to collect too zealously). In most instances you're right- they're paranoid- since factoring firms interests dovetail with those of the client.

    ABL divisions of banks (think Kevin at SeaCoast), offer factoring and ABL facilities- and the cost of capital is NOT more expensive for the dominion of cash ABL facility. Other folks providing ABL LOC's offer the same products- but if they are borrowing their capital from a bank, the cost of their capital will be higher (to clients) than a Bank providing an ABL- makes sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardGerard View Post
    Micah as much a anything else clients fear factoring because it means they are assigning (selling) their invoices (and that they have heard horror stories about third parties trying to collect too zealously). In most instances you're right- they're paranoid- since factoring firms interests dovetail with those of the client.

    ABL divisions of banks (think Kevin at SeaCoast), offer factoring and ABL facilities- and the cost of capital is NOT more expensive for the dominion of cash ABL facility. Other folks providing ABL LOC's offer the same products- but if they are borrowing their capital from a bank, the cost of their capital will be higher (to clients) than a Bank providing an ABL- makes sense?
    Of course the cost of capital isn't more for an ABL at Seacoast (or the 2 other bank-owned facilities that I work with) than a regular factor. I'm just commenting that other lenders who do smaller ABL's that are not banks... their cost to capital is higher, which means rates may be higher. However, they have other ways to curtail their costs and offer the clients rates and/or costs (meaning, the difference between a factor rate vs APR...) of their capital that are management and can help the business grow.

    As with everything, it's just a matter of knowing what options are out there, then presenting the right one that the client will appreciate to help close the deal. Lender likes borrower, borrower likes lender, broker gets paid for cementing the relationship, hopefully everyone (except the lenders who didn't fund) wins.

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    Marcus My client is not in the market for 1.49 rates 4 month terms. Seems to be the case with most of your offers
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    Quote Originally Posted by brokerCompany View Post
    Manufacturer 150k monthly
    Ondeck around 150,000
    Has more orders. Looking for 2nd position 50-100k
    California
    sounds ez - send me the deal. Can get you an offer in the high 1.3's while paying you fairly.
    Thank you,

    Lior Monus
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    Quote Originally Posted by brokerCompany View Post
    Marcus My client is not in the market for 1.49 rates 4 month terms. Seems to be the case with most of your offers
    They are who they are .I usually only see 3 months

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    Have you tried getting a 2nd position with us yet?
    Paul Boxer
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    Manufacturer 150k monthly
    Ondeck around 150,000
    Has more orders. Looking for 2nd position 50-100k
    California
    LoanMe offers monthly payment term loans from $3,500 to $250,000. Minimum FICO 500, Minimum TIB 90 days. Multiple positions ok, final approvals based on affordability, not strictly revenue or deposits. We can work with all "For-Profit" Industries. Give us a call 949-535-7798
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    1900 S State College Blvd. Suite 300
    Anaheim, CA 92806

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