[Michael I]

Is it just me or do you all see the trend over the last couple of years on this forum ,that 90 percent of those who pay for advertising on here are legitimate and 90percent of those that come and advertise for free wind up being illegitimate

[Karen37a]

Is it just me or do you all see the trend over the last couple of years on this forum ,that 90 percent of those who pay for advertising on here are legitimate and 90percent of those that come and advertise for free wind up being illegitimate

No. More like 70/30

And do you realize that there are Isos and other Funders /lenders who might be honest who do not want to use the internet or DF to advertise for passive leads or referrals?

I was of the opinion that this is more of a networking community...learn, , meet funders and other lenders, isos, brokers who are in the industry or ask a question of experienced people while you make your way thru the treacherous waters and make $$.

I am also of the opinion that people who search for passive leads will go out of business if they do not pick up the phone or have a great SEO inbound campaign .edit* ( or go door to door face to face like processing visa/mc ...or Life insurance agents**) . I have been debated fiercely on this over the years. Results stand.

Are you trying to get more advertising? lol I don't get it.

[Karen37a]

It's like a big multi-level marketing company. Someone joins, then recruits 20 others and they all sit around the room looking at each other saying...we joined a month ago why are we not rich...this doesn't work .

Answer: because someone has to make the sales.

Then they try to figure out how to recruit a top producer so they turn over the sales to them.Top producers only follow top producers or companies with volume. Unless you pay them. And the ones who are really good won't take a salary.

It becomes very clear who is being fed leads or who can hustle them out through hard work.

There are no shortcuts and the cream always rises to the top

Trust but verify the funders/isos etc.The ones who are sponsored have been vetted. doesn't mean the other are cons

[RickyR3712]

Same like not being able to afford a business email .If you are a real lender funding real business than you can afford to pay for some advertising on here.

[Karen37a]

Same like not being able to afford a business email .If you are a real lender funding real business than you can afford to pay for some advertising on here.

Maybe some people who notice trends didn't want to be stacked and stay away from the defaulting crowd. maybe that's how they stayed alive ...no problems making people a shiate ton load of money.

Trends = Quantitive Analysis over time


There is a whole big world out there. Trillions and trillions of money moving per second...we are a blip, hence the reason I never thought regulators would get their panties in a bunch to move forward to regulate us.

[Karen37a]

Go to a big hedge fund party...or a big stockbrokage firm and say "I funded 1 million per month" they will pat you on the head and say ...that's nice... lol


Big Loan company....they will say ...one house?


Just say ...oh yeah...bet you don't get 10 points...stuff your pockets with free caviar and leave gracefully

[Michael I]

Same like not being able to afford a business email .If you are a real lender funding real business than you can afford to pay for some advertising on here.

exactly

[Karen37a]

exactly

Michael stop making things up

[WestCoastFunding]

Michael stop making things up

He’s not making anything up. He’s right.

[Karen37a]

He’s not making anything up. He’s right.

Some people who are A paper are crooks as well. so cut it the fk out already

[Karen37a]

Go ahead and get the bozo convention to run around yelling that I have no credibility because I had a dui.

Stop painting this broad brush on some and not others

And I am not asking you. I am telling you. Cut it out. Or people can tell whats really going on behind the scenes.

Soft pulls to steal applications and the whole nine yards

[Michael I]

Go ahead and get the bozo convention to run around yelling that I have no credibility because I had a dui.

Stop painting this broad brush on some and not others

And I am not asking you. I am telling you. Cut it out. Or people can tell whats really going on behind the scenes.

Soft pulls to steal applications and the whole nine yards

karen you lost me

[Karen37a]

karen you lost me

You always say that.

Do you actually believe that of all the financial companies... Funders and lenders; that if they do not advertise here they are criminals or somehow unethical?

is your vision and experience in the industry so small?


is this an advertising board or sales funnel/ CRM for unsuspecting newbies or a networking community?

[Michael I]

You always say that.

Do you actually believe that of all the financial companies... Funders and lenders; that if they do not advertise here they are criminals or somehow unethical?

is your vision and experience in the industry so small?


is this an advertising board or sales funnel/ CRM for unsuspecting newbies or a networking community?

first off i think you are confusing me with someone else . next i am not saying that who ever does not advertise on here is unethical . thats ludicrous . what i said is that those that do advertise on here , the ones that just blast free post wind up being a scam and the ones that pay on the side wind up legitimate .
karen this is my experience , i am not sure why you are getting so hostel like i am personally attacking you since i had a different experience .

[Karen37a]

Did you ever stop to realize that some people came from Financial Services ...maybe bringing money with them and you trying to steer people into what YOU want...scared them all off?

I am the only idiot that stuck around.

Some of us didn't come here to be a telemarketing agent or 3 man shop.

We came to create a company and partner on the money. Its not up to YOU how people advertise and to call other(a select few) people unethical, it is ridiculous because they do not fit into your MINI group of people.

Some people are not going to join your little group or someone elses they are bigger than you.

And. I have posts and post of you giggling like a girl posting my linken page etc...but i didn't return post yours and say" he is a small 3 man shop"

[Michael I]

Did you ever stop to realize that some people came from Financial Services ...maybe bringing money with them and you trying to steer people into what YOU want...scared them all off?

I am the only idiot that stuck around.

Some of us didn't come here to be a telemarketing agent or 3 man shop.

We came to create a company and partner on the money. Its not up to YOU how people advertise and to call other(a select few) people unethical is ridiculous because they do not fit into your MINI group of people.

Some people are not going to join your little group or someone elses they are bigger than you.

And. I have posts and post of you giggling like a girl posting my linken page etc...but i didn't return post yours and say" he is a small 3 man shop"

Again i am not sure why you are turning this personal .someone posted a wrong link for you and i was correcting them .i apologized that in hindsight you did not like that and it was a mistake .at the time i honestly was trying to help you.not giggling like a little girl
i am stating what i have been seeing on this forum .facts . the scam post were getting so bad that admin made new rules of that they must have signatures ,company email address etc . since than majority of the companies that have been doing the free advertising , a week or month later came out to be a scam . ( i am not talking about the ones that post all the time and then say they can help like richard ,abfunder and the such, it is the new companies that come only to post there advertisement and that is it)

[RevivingDeadPresidents]

Karen shut the **** up for once.

[Karen37a]

Again i am not sure why you are turning this personal .someone posted a wrong link for you and i was correcting them .i apologized that in hindsight you did not like that and it was a mistake .at the time i honestly was trying to help you.not giggling like a little girl
i am stating what i have been seeing on this forum .facts . the scam post were getting so bad that admin made new rules of that they must have signatures ,company email address etc . since than majority of the companies that have been doing the free advertising, a week or month later came out to be a scam. ( i am not talking about the ones that post all the time and then say they can help like richard ,abfunder and the such, it is the new companies that come only to post there advertisement and that is it)

I agree. If people have gmail they are not a company. But. There are hedge funds who come onhere...investment bankers...lenders. Funders who will not want to advertize.

I never wanted to advertise here BUT if what I am saying to people helps generate sales activity I do not care...too much competition out there for me to worry about a few that will take it to heart.

I am reaching outside to bring in new deals... non-cannibalized that's why I am in first position a lot. Or put a second behind someone I do not do business with. Its in Funders best interest for people to pull from outside...especially if they are a stacker or want to be 1st position...win win

its a smart business move, not unethical ...now some are unethical ....70/30

[Karen37a]

And see Michael. You "helping out" by giving some punk kid behind a screen my linken page...who would never reveal himself because he is a coward....doesn't really help and you knew it going in

[RickyR3712]

Do not worry michael i , when she puts the bottle down and realizes she is loca , she will edit all the posts.

[Karen37a]

Do not worry michael i , when she puts the bottle down and realizes she is loca , she will edit all the posts.

I dont drink, never really did...maybe twice a month. I guess someones stock fraud libel is causing damages.

Michael...everything those 2 say I am atributing to you now

[Michael I]

not worried lol , we will be friends again tomorrow . I do not think she is understanding what i am saying . I will love someone else to chime in here and let me know if i am missing something or karen is . and then rewrite the point so the other one can understand

[Karen37a]

not worried lol , we will be friends again tomorrow . I do not think she is understanding what i am saying . I will love someone else to chime in here and let me know if i am missing something or karen is . and then rewrite the point so the other one can understand

NO. Stop trying to get people to rally to your defense. I am tired of you calling out for help. The only people who understand what I am saying are top producers and top funders...and even some of them wil not understand.

They need to explain it to you

[Michael I]

NO. Stop trying to get people to rally to your defense. I am tired of you calling out for help

can you explain why ?is it that you know you are wrong or that you are so egoistical that it is impossible for you to ever be wrong.

[Karen37a]

can you explain why ?is it that you know you are wrong or that you are so egoistical that it is impossible for you to ever be wrong.

When I am wrong...trust me I can say I am wrong. No one is perfect or even close. I will respond in a second....are you going to say its word salad when im right?