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    Quote Originally Posted by WestCoastFunding View Post
    The technology for matching MCAs with funders: going on DF and grabbing email addresses.

    Just think about it: the fact they think Kevin’s financing products have anything to do with MCAs tells you the technology for matching is non-existent. It makes no sense. Worse, it tells you that they really don’t have even a basic understanding of MCAs nor conventional and asset based lending.

    But worst of all, there is no vetting process whatsoever. All this talk of a sign-up process, yet you’re sending dealflow unsolicited.
    Hey westcoast, have you ever tried saying even one positive sentence on this forum? Everything so bitter.

    These guys are bringing something new to a market filled with problems, they invested months if not years to bring this software to life, and are trying to customize it so that it works for both parties. What's wrong with that?
    As far as a so called fake "lender" signing up to grab some free leads/deals, they got that covered. There's no personal info revealed and they have technology that tracks every move. Even if someone does try to steal, it won't last long.

    As far as the file being shot out to multiple funders, well so what? There's only one credit pull.

    I personally don't like it, because of the challenge of pricing deals with all those "black boxes" on the statements. I also don't like to fund through a random tech board, without knowing the ISO who's selling the deal, and knowing the complete history of the deal, but again that's a personal preference, but as far as the actual "idea" of this thing and the way they designed the platform, why knock it?

    It's a solid idea, god help them succeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightAdvance View Post
    Hey westcoast, have you ever tried saying even one positive sentence on this forum? Everything so bitter.

    These guys are bringing something new to a market filled with problems, they invested months if not years to bring this software to life, and are trying to customize it so that it works for both parties. What's wrong with that?
    As far as a so called fake "lender" signing up to grab some free leads/deals, they got that covered. There's no personal info revealed and they have technology that tracks every move. Even if someone does try to steal, it won't last long.

    As far as the file being shot out to multiple funders, well so what? There's only one credit pull.

    I personally don't like it, because of the challenge of pricing deals with all those "black boxes" on the statements. I also don't like to fund through a random tech board, without knowing the ISO who's selling the deal, and knowing the complete history of the deal, but again that's a personal preference, but as far as the actual "idea" of this thing and the way they designed the platform, why knock it?

    It's a solid idea, god help them succeed.
    They’re blasting out deals unsolicited. That isnt a new concept. It’s a ****ty practice. If you don’t like the fact I can’t find a positive spin on this, too bad. Sharing personal and business data in such fashion may be, or should be, illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhenry0527 View Post
    Um....If you are vetting people on your platform why are you sending us deals that are not appropriate. Again, I have never spoken to anyone from your firm, yet got deal flow that is not appropriate the first time you guys appeared here.

    Ghost..... What is the address of your Company, contact phone number, and names of management team? This information for any legitimate service provider should be easily found on your website or by ding simple searches.....

    I believe you picked up my e-mail from this forum. Please do NOT send anymore unsolicited deals until some the questions I asked both BDOs have been answered. They obviously read the e-mail because they magically have my cell phone number.
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    what info did you receive ? social etc or vague info

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael I View Post
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    what info did you receive ? social etc or vague info
    Vague info with a link to access their "deal room".... No I did not click on the link.
    Hedley Lamarr......That's Hedley

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    I already know why this can and cannot work...what you have to do to make this a success. It has to do with building organizations, which you people love that I point out that I did in the past...1099

    You have to start the process with small brokers who can submit deals, or new ones not try to grab BIG ISOS AND ISOS that syndicate.

    So you have to recruit individual brokers who have self-employed shops, not isos that are running as a business.( read cash flow quadrant)

    Once you do that you are doing everything that an iso or super iso is doing just thru your software and not software that we created on our own ( or basic CRM to direct funder software)


    So why does a super iso or iso want to join this software? What do you have to offer? ( back to the bad pitch and sales ability)

    Each company has salespeople who have to "recruit" 1099 brokers and some can recruit 100 some can only get 10 because again its 1099 like Amway.

    I used to teach people how to recruit 1 person make 1 sale ( in the same month) then 3 by 3 ( same month) 5 x 5 10 by 10 .... 100 by 100

    Some of you are trying to recruit someone like me who went 500 by 500 on numerous occasions or funders or brokers who are already set up.

    If you have MONEY/ Capital to put in the deals then you might have something to offer some of us.

    MONEY/ Renewals...that's it

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    With all the fraud deals floating around, the funders need to know who the broker is and sometimes where the deal originated from (internet, referral, cold call, etc.) in order to correctly price them. Having funders work in a vacuum and analyze redacted bank statements will not result in quality offers or numbers that will stick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightAdvance View Post
    These guys are bringing something new to a market filled with problems, they invested months if not years to bring this software to life, and are trying to customize it so that it works for both parties.
    What software?? If they think Kevin’s bank matches with a MCA product, then the software is crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCNetwork View Post
    With all the fraud deals floating around, the funders need to know who the broker is and sometimes where the deal originated from (internet, referral, cold call, etc.) in order to correctly price them and assess the risk. Having funders work in a vacuum and analyze redacted bank statements will not result in quality offers.
    This will resu;lt in garbage in garbage out..small deal size and very low approval ratios and very low closing ratios


    Unless you have a trained killer salesperson /sale trainer bringing their sales force to the table...but why would we give our salesforce to anyone or merchants?

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    Some people who are always chiming in who are the backdoor lunatics better learn how to pick up the phone and bring their own merchants in.

    Some of you think you fooled us ...day one in mca i saw what you were doing and i wanted to run the hell out of there.

    If this company wants people to send deals to them...a more formal introduction is needed and more vetting on THEIR end not ours

    Now that someone talked good about them i am not ever going near there...birds of a feather
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    "Some people who are always chiming in who are the backdoor lunatics better learn how to pick up the phone and bring their own merchants in."

    Good Advice - modern technology - pick up the phone and talk to a business owner.
    2nd suggestion, Organic SEO.
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    This also makes it easier to stack....swoosh under the table...no one knows its you


    Some new brokers/white label/funders think they are cute...think they had the patent on the backdoor move

    Meanwhile we could have swooshed your arse a long time ago...but we have ethics and are trying to do the right thing by the MERCHANTS

    and its G for God ..not g
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestCoastFunding View Post
    They’re blasting out deals unsolicited. That isnt a new concept. It’s a ****ty practice. If you don’t like the fact I can’t find a positive spin on this, too bad. Sharing personal and business data in such fashion may be, or should be, illegal.
    We are NOT blasting out any deals. We are showing previews of what a deal looks like. There is no way for you to access any PII or merchant information. That would defeat the purpose of what we are doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fundingfloor View Post
    We are NOT blasting out any deals. We are showing previews of what a deal looks like. There is no way for you to access any PII or merchant information. That would defeat the purpose of what we are doing.
    Um....you sent me 2 deals yesterday and I still don't know who you are.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by MCNetwork View Post
    With all the fraud deals floating around, the funders need to know who the broker is and sometimes where the deal originated from (internet, referral, cold call, etc.) in order to correctly price them. Having funders work in a vacuum and analyze redacted bank statements will not result in quality offers or numbers that will stick.
    Thanks for the feedback. We're constantly working on providing more information for funders. Without revealing the Merchant's identity.

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    So now brokers who've been banned by various funders for behaving badly can now safely and anonymously submit their deals and get back in the game...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MCNetwork View Post
    So now brokers who've been banned by various funders for behaving badly can now safely and anonymously submit their deals and get back in the game...
    Thats what the net result will be on some.

    Instead of us firing people on ground level, or catching people backdooring or moles or debt relief they can take in raw applications with out real human screening ,live compliance

    You cant replace live salespeople and live human underwriting, compliance

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    I spoke with this gentleman on the phone in regards to the software and the compliance. he definitely has some protocols in place that are different than other systems...and he may be able to safeguard data and applications and curb the backdooring if he implements certain things...and he has things already in place.


    The problem I forsee is too many chiefs, not enough Indians, which is something we all have to conquer in sales leadership.

    Someone has to lead the charge from the front ( In sales and recruiting)

    Great idea ...may work

    Good luck going forwards

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    super cool idea and I like the platform a lot, seems to be gaining traction in terms of deal flow as well.
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    This is a good point

    Referring to Archies post about shady brokers now being able to submit anon (i guess unless there is correspondence once offer is accpeted??), havent made it that far yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ayfayfay View Post
    This is a good point

    Referring to Archies post about shady brokers now being able to submit anon (i guess unless there is correspondence once offer is accpeted??), havent made it that far yet.


    one of the bigger problems is that once you see a company like "acefundingllc" fund with them, you can sign on with them direct and avoid the system.

    Like brokers who create an llc to get away from the original iso to get 2-3 more points.


    Something or someone other than software has to keep them going back to it.

    Brokers who are part time or submit a deal here or there will most likely continue on....but the ones who can produce fund 3-10 applications a month continuously will tire of it unless again...someone is leading the charge ...a sales motivatior, trainer.

    Or you have some other incentive to go into the system...leads ( but nasty brokers steal the leads and then fund elsewhere)
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    Ive thought all this thru being a super iso...hiring training brokers, trying to retain brokers etc

    Ive also thought thru ...why could I build a sales force of 500 brokers before .. now 30-50

    #1 Not enough capital for deals

    #2 Regulation forces broker to "hang" their licence somewhere, we are unregulated no reason to stay unless you are following the leader or they have $$ for deals or a paycheck

    #3 commission is so big and renewals you do not need this herculean effort to get the same pay

    # 4 I am an old lady...tired of seeing the same excuses, nationwide in different decades

    #5 Funders are not all working with us, some are against us, even if we are their iso..no loyalty

    # 6 I do not trust most of the brokers ...they are shady and would fnd almost anything to get a paycheck because it isnt their money

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    There are things you can do to build this sales force...but alas...you are my competition

    I hope it works out for you, gl ...it does have some good things that other software doesn't have

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    All funders are not created equal. Some are notoriously difficult to work with, some will backdoor you and others will change the numbers on you at the five yard line. No software marketplace can ever replace a strong relationship between a broker and his preferred underwriters. The Funding Floor model might be appealing to a newbie ISO who wants to submit a deal, kick back and wait for the system to spit out the best offer regardless of who the funder is. He'll still be at a big disadvantage to a veteran who spent years cultivating the right network and knows how to compete. There are no shortcuts.
    Last edited by MCNetwork; 05-11-2018 at 09:03 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MCNetwork View Post
    All funders are not created equal. Some are notoriously difficult to work with, some will backdoor you and others will change the numbers on you at the five yard line. No software marketplace can ever replace a strong relationship between a broker and his preferred underwriters. The Funding Floor model might be appealing to a newbie ISO who wants to submit a deal, kick back and wait for the system to spit out the best offer regardless of who the funder is. He'll still be at a disadvantage to a veteran who spent years cultivating the right network and knows how to compete.
    I agree


    Thats why newbies need to join an experienced brokers broker or iso to learn the tricks of the trade and learn how to close

    Now some of us do not want you...too late

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    Most Funders also know that when files come thru certain isos they have been screened 5 times and the merchants have been almost interrogated so we do not have defaults

    a) cold calling with underwriting in mind

    B) jr level processing

    C) iso underwriting

    D) owner of the iso

    Send the file out

    Tha system is better for renewals and fewer defaults

    the Tops Iso wants that renewal...fights to keep that client

    You backdoor stack all this bs you take the incentive away....who the hell wants to go thru massive application to get a one time commission and have fools trying to snag your deal off the back end because they cant cold call because they are bad at it or lazy.

    That system will not have the best deals in it...again unless someone is leading the charge

    That's why the other systems failed...you can just sit back and want good applications, good isos, good brokers, thru passive marketing, it doesn't work.

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